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Poster: Dead Head For Life Date: Sep 27, 2006 3:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I wish

First, I would like to say hello, this is my first post. I am a huge dead head, have every RECORD and CD. Have over 100 shirts, and about 10 live DVDs. The only thing that's wrong is that I was born on 1990, and was not able to see them. I went to San Fran over the summer, saw Jerry's house, and just about broke into tears. Man, I would do anything to see Jerry. Well anyway, just wanted to know if anyone can tell me some good stories.

Thanks
Dead Head

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 28, 2006 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I wish

Hey, DHforLife,

Let me first say how pleased I am to hear a young voice pining for the Dead. It always amazes me when I see or hear of people who weren't even able to see the Dead before Jerry passed interested in this music.

Hard to believe in a day and age when music is so pre-packed and bands are invented just to satisfy consumer demographics . Very refreshing. Would love to hear what it is about the Dead's music that speaks to you, especially w/out the benefit of having seen them live.

For me, I would echo what StratoCaster had to say about his experiences seeing Jerry and the boys in person. I too have seen many different bands over the years, but never did I feel the thrill I got when seeing the Dead. Hasn't been anything close to it music-wise since. I saw my first Dead show in 1979 and was just 14 but I knew from that moment that they were indeed something special.

in no other concert for any band have I ever felt that initial, giddy, almost etherial CHARGE when the lights went down and Garcia ambled on stage. That chill up the spine Strato talked about is almost impossible to explain...the party the Dead invited us to felt like a stoppage of time, I guess. We knew that for the next few hours nothing would exist but music we all loved beyond description, and the added suspense of WHICH songs would be played and HOW and WHERE they would transport us was a gift from musical heaven.

I'm sorry you couldn't have been there, but your love of the music now helps keep the "sage and spirit" alive. Keep listening.

GC

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Sep 28, 2006 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I wish

Well put, Grendelschoice..

That chill when the lights went out, and one by one they
ambled on to the stage, noodling around was something I was thinking about driving home from work one night..never
got that with any other band I've ever seen in my nearly 40 years of concert going.

Oh, for one more round of the opening chords of
"Bertha" or Bobby screaming in Sugar Magnolia"..


Jim

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 28, 2006 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I wish

Dead Head For Life:

not to diminish the first hand experience, but i often wonder if i too would not have been drawn into GD without attendance if i had access then to what we have now???

...something to keep in mind...Brent's first GD show was the first one he performed in

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Poster: Spaced Date: Sep 28, 2006 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I wish

I rarely saw much of Jerry but I live in SF not Marin. I saw Jerry's daughter though, but wait that was Camper Van Beethoven, and even they're old now:
http://www.archive.org/download/cvb2004-04-26/cvb2004-04-26d1t02_vbr.mp3.

When I saw Jerry I think he sorta shrugged like what's the big deal.

But seeing a Grateful Dead show was different -- if you connected. Jerry shows were fine but Dead shows were electrically different. I think the "etherial CHARGE" was the trippiness. They were just a portal that opened but is closing again, opening elsewhere God willing. Hopefully there won't be WWIII because it would be a long bum trip. Or birth perinatal matrix III if you're Stan Grof.

There's plenty of inspiration around, even if me missed out on what they had to start. Dr. Flashback's Fire on the Mountain is better than I thought:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-10-02.sbd.unknown.278.sbeok.shnf

My own lack of direction and disgust with the right wing neo-Nixonites has me thinking of a Kesey line:
"Get them into your movie before they get you into theirs."


This post was modified by Spaced on 2006-09-29 01:38:18

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Sep 29, 2006 9:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I wish

At this point, I guess I can say I wish I had seen the band from the beginning...
I didn't start going to live shows until April 1970, when I was 16 and first experienced an evening with the Grateful Dead. (Maybe 5 tie-die t-shirts spotted that night at the Miles Davis/Dead show).

Then again, a couple of my best buds who are a couple years older'n me who went to shows starting with The Beatles at the Cow Palace in '64, then by '66 regularly making the Family Dog and Fillmore bills... crossing paths with Garcia and friends out on the floor or back stage, their stories are different than one might expect...
that is, of what they still remember.

It's not all groovy, and these friends may have been snubbed or made to pay dues to whomever was there before they were. But my friends - long since old enough to put their own spin on it all, nevertheless admit to having respect for the GD and especially for Jerry's guitar playing.

It always comes down to the music, rather than personalities. Jerry definitely had a magnetism, a presence. He had an interesting mind and was a good rapper, with a great speaking voice and a quick wit, good sense of humor and easy laugh.

I wish Jerry had written a book, an autobiography, but yeah that wasn't his favorite subject... himself.
Maybe that aw shucks 'tweren't nothin' thing he did was genuine.

I prefer the wild youth of their pre-Europe days to the the wizened touch of gray era, but even from the very early Mother MaCree's tapes you hear Garcia talking between songs a mile a minute, so even then he was the glue that kept 'em sniffin' for more (!?), a key figure on the washboard scene.

I had done some limited trading with one archivist some 15 years ago, and that was when I first had 10 or so tapes of various 1966-1970 soundboards, providing some much needed new old material for me to ponder the mysteries of time and space with.

Then 2 or so years ago, after having become as familiar as Live Dead (the LP) as with the shows on those tapes...
like March 1, 1969 and surprisingly crisp 1966 shows, etc, I came across this LMA and even within my limited taste for the band found much to enjoy.

Sure I wish there was even more from the '60s - if only they had taped all the shows - but I'm still finding things here and now that blow my mind...

like that "whoah" that Jerry sings out at exactly 1:08 into St. Stephen at the Avalon Ballroom on October 12, 1968.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-10-12.sbd.eD.10909.sbeok.shnf

PS - don't mind me, rambling on as usual!

This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2006-09-30 04:53:02

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 29, 2006 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I wish

No, please, ramble on as you say. It's always a pleasure to get the personal perspective. It's funny, but even for someone like yourself who started seeing the Dead in '70, to read that you wished you had seen them from the beginning. Well, i read something like that and all i think is i wished i had seen them even as 'late' as '79 or '80, but as it is i didn't first see the Dead until '86 with the Hampton shows, though i caught JGB as early as '84. However, taken in perspective with your own experience, dude, you were 'there' so to speak. But i guess it just lays it all out in perspective. I mean, that indescribable nostalgia for lost moments and opportunities. It's the thrill of living on this ball of dirt, the whole soup of experience. We take what we can, we taste it, we digest it, we take it to the next experience. Thank you for the post and for sharing some of your thoughts, comments, and memories of Jerry and the band.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Sep 30, 2006 5:51am
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thanks for the kind words Arbuthnot.

Grateful for all the live music* so far.


*http://beat-pop.blogspot.com/2005/01/super-list-all-shows-attended.html

(my attempt to list every live show, venue/year/band seen)

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Poster: Franchi$e Date: Sep 28, 2006 7:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I wish

You know -

I have to jump in here.

I was a moderate fan for years. Not as young as Head For Life...I had a chance to see them in the 90's a few times - I had American Beauty, Workingmans - I LOVED BLues for Allah, etc. etc.

But I was always too broke to go, and I always thought, "oh, those old guys will be touring forever." Then Jerry died, and a few years later I started to get more into the live stuff... Europe 72 and ONE FROM THE VAULT (which is still a fav), Without a Net etc.

Anyway - it started hitting me that I missed my chance to see the coolest band EVER!

I have over the past 4 years, largely thanks to this site, become an avid fan of their live output. So I never got to see them, but I always loved improvisational music, as well as good songwriting. I still wish I could have seen them, even in the 90's - just be present when they went to that special place. To be part of that even one time would have been great. To hear one of those ridiculous TOO jams, or even SOTM live - Stella... Oh, that would have been great!

So anyway - I don't quite know what I am getting at here... Just getting past my lurker tendencies thanks to Liamfinnegan calling us out so kindly a couple of weeks ago...

But as a guy who has never seen the band, but loves them - no one particularly turned me on to the band - I just always loved music, and I am a musician myself - there is just too much greatness in this band to not fall in love with them eventually.

I am so grateful for this site, and for the Dick's Picks series, etc. to give us a chance to enjoy the music long-term. This band was something special.

PEACE

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 27, 2006 4:12pm
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Hey Head for Life - How'd you get into the GD? Friend, relative? How long have you been digging the live stuff?

There has been alot of talk about youngs heads here lately. I think people want to know if kids who never saw the Dead can embrace this music. Did your parents listen to GD or other bands?

Just curious.

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Poster: Dead Head For Life Date: Sep 27, 2006 4:19pm
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Actually, my dad was a huge dead head, went to a lot of concerts. He owns a company himself, and actually his logo is a dancing bear holding a tool box, hes a handyman.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Sep 27, 2006 5:17pm
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I got into the GD through my old man also (plus some uncles and an aunt), and I am on the young side for 'heads (26 almost 27). I'm glad you're into it, because it's one of the best things to get into and will probably bring you happiness forever. My question for you is which 10 live DVDs do you have, because i thought I had them all, but I only have 7.
PK

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 27, 2006 4:34pm
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sweet. mystery solved...

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 28, 2006 5:48am
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Seeing the band live cemented the deal for us older heads,
they still have Phil & Friends, Ratdog and many other Deadtype Jam Bands to get that live vibe and more of the "original scene" ie -the smaller intimate venues.
Now the best way to hear "old" GD is at full concert level, and/or like when Digital Dave has his excellent audio setup at the Ashkenaz Dance Club in Berkeley. www.ashkenaz.com

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Sep 28, 2006 4:55am
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Young folk who are exposed to the Dead have the tremendous opportunity offered by the Web and sites like this, which weren't available before recently. Remember when hunting down a tape trade was a major effort and event? Today the Dead phenomenon is categorized and available at a keystroke. I've been exposed to more Dead in the last year than all the years they performed, and I'm a moldy oldy.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 28, 2006 7:14am
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I would have to put a word in for Little Feat. No, not the current version, which is ok but cannot hold a candle to what the original band was able to put out, both live and in studio. Lowell George was genious, but yet another soul who succumbed to substance abutse sapping his creative powers. But in their prime, this band was amazing, able to jam out, but displaying true power in incredible song writing and structure. While the Dead were a creative and unpredictable force (some nights incredible, others not so incredible), Feat were more like a classical concert: you knew what you were going to get, but it blew you away every time. They might not have been able to hit you with the force of a primo Jerry show, but they would get to you in a different way. But again, that's just me.

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Sep 28, 2006 4:34pm
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Old Little Feat was great (judging from recordings at least, I'm too young to have seen them or the Dead) but newer Little Feat is still great. It seems like they've started jamming more lately (including playing Dead songs), but they still have the skills that they used to have. I saw them earlier this year and they were still playing tight, lengthy jams. I don't want to say that I like Little Feat more than the Dead, since the music they play is so different, but I would have to say Little Feat are my favorite band.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 27, 2006 5:25pm
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you were just born at the wrong time...there was nothing like a Grateful Dead concert, period...I've seen hundreds of shows of all types of bands and a live Dead show was truly unique in it's time...when the lights went down and Garcia walked out and picked up his guitar, I would get chills...damn...the memories are still fresh...I really can't watch any of these cover bands and/ or lesh or weir...it just ain't the same thing...when jerry would hit that d chord into morning dew...shit...that's the stuff

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 27, 2006 7:00pm
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I have to mostly agree with stratocaster regarding the various cover bands and offshoots and the like ... once you've tasted the cherry (Jerry?), the benchwarmers just don't leave the palate all that satisfied.

However, while i agree as well that there was nothing like a Dead show, i would not go so far as to say that certain other bands and/or artists failed to provide a same or greater level of enjoyment and musical appreciation. I caught Bob Mould (and Husker Du several years previous) and felt that those shows contributed an equal measure of value in terms of what i took away with me. Also, Bad Brains certainly did the trick time and again, early Sonic Youth, Blues Traveler in late 80's, Six Finger Satellite, and various others that have worked into the brain's marrow memories that i return to from time to time, the music, the people around me, the era, the essence of the whole. Cool.

Just my thoughts on the topic anyway.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 27, 2006 8:36pm
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I saw Santana, back in like 1979, do a 45 minute version of Black Magic Woman that just floored me. Incredible non-stop jaming.

Also The Allman Brothers, when they had Warren Haynes and Dickey Betts (before his breakdown) at say the Beacon Theatre, early-mid 90's - can't be beat.

And while this might not be some folks cup of tea, I once saw Bruce Springsteen in Florida play 3 sets for well over 5 hours. By the end of the show he was stage diving off the piano!! What the hell was he on?????

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 28, 2006 2:53am
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I can recall being staggered by Springsteen's limitless energy too. But one of the finest high-energy shows I ever saw was Bob Seger at the Hammersmith Odeon in October 77. At this great remove I can't recall how many encores the band actually did but I do remember that they had to come back and do one more even after the houselights came up because no one in that audience was leaving until they did! Ahh.. youthful pleasures!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 27, 2006 10:08pm
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That's so true ... Springsteen certainly could put on a show. However, i never did understand the rabid collecting of boss boots that went on among the fans. I mean, with the Dead, okay, the variety, setlists, magic moments, are effin' overwhelming.

I was stationed in Kentucky mid-80's (i know, depressed me too), and caught Stevie Ray opened by Greg Allman Band. Blew the doors off my perceptions of the so-called white boy blues. Fuck, that show was a freakin' gem.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 27, 2006 10:33pm
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Ya know, MSG early 80"s there was Yes in the round and I swear Chris Squire was the best bass player on the planet. Listen to "The Fish" or "Close to the Edge"

One last one - Martin Barre on guitar at a Jethro Tull show circa 78-80 - one of the best live bands ever. Ian Anderson jumping off the tow ropes of a giant Mayflower ship. The drum solo... Dont get me started... A+

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Sep 27, 2006 5:59pm
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I second that emotion, to hear another Stella..........